Hey everybody. Welcome back to the Passion and Purpose podcast and to part two of my amazing

conversation with Pastor Rick Warren. We'll continue our conversation talking about the

coexistence of purpose and pain conversation talking about the coexistence

of purpose and pain and talking about how to be a legacy leaving leader

and so much more.

So here's part two of my conversation with Pastor Rick Warren.

It's no point in arguing with people on social media, period, and I think that's a great model.

I want to go back to one of those places you talked about the harpooning moments in life,

and you and I got invited by the same president to do a similar thing, and we both got in a storm over it four years apart from each other.

Mine being four years later, the climate was a little more intense.

They were ready for you.

I surprised them, but they were ready for you.

Yeah.

And, you know, my world sort of crashed in a way that I hadn't experienced before.

And I've told this before, but I was, Shelly and I were at the house.

We had all the lights in the house off.

There are media standing on our front porch.

Hadn't had that before.

And lots of people were texting me.

I was getting a lot of quiet personal feedback and encouragement.

That's what normally happens in those moments. But then one

person actually called me, and it was you. And I took the call. I was sitting on the floor in my

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