Why Francis Chan Abandoned His Megachurch for Living Rooms
The Deep End With Lecrae
Lecrae
4.8 • 602 Ratings
🗓️ 22 May 2025
⏱️ 86 minutes
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Summary
Understanding God's Love: In-Depth Conversation with Francis Chan and Lecrae.
In this thought-provoking episode, Lecrae sits down with pastor and author Francis Chan to discuss the concept of God's unconditional love, the struggles with insecurity in faith, and the challenges faced by Christian leaders today. Reflecting on personal experiences, including Francis stepping away from a mega church and Lecrae's mental breakdown, they explore the depth of feeling loved by God and the importance of being secure in this love. Francis Chan shares his journey of moving from striving to earn God's love to resting in the assurance of being beloved by Him. Together, they delve into the profound impacts of internalizing God's love on their lives and ministries, emphasizing that knowing and believing in God's love is a supernatural experience facilitated by the Holy Spirit.
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| 0:00.0 | I feel like if the Apostle Paul or Jesus had a church in Seamy Valley, mine would be bigger. |
| 0:09.6 | And that is bothering me. |
| 0:11.5 | Like you had a mega church in Southern California. |
| 0:14.4 | You had sold crazy amounts of books. |
| 0:17.5 | Everyone was doing your Bible studies, your DVDs. Then one day you walked away from it. |
| 0:23.0 | It was so easy for me all those years to say, I love God. I love God. I'm just crazy things for God, |
| 0:29.9 | but it's much harder to go. He is crazy about me. That is the social media soundbite of the century. |
| 0:38.3 | I'm 50 years old. |
| 0:39.3 | I've been preaching since I was 22, whatever, |
| 0:43.3 | and I'm still only 90-something percent sure I'm going to have this. |
| 0:48.3 | Because God's shown me some things these last few years |
| 0:52.3 | that I think are big, |
| 0:55.0 | really big. |
| 0:56.2 | Can we talk about some of them? |
| 0:58.3 | Yes. |
| 0:58.8 | What are some of these things? |
| 1:00.2 | It's mainly one thing. |
| 1:04.1 | This is the deep end with La Cray. |
| 1:10.0 | Everyone out there. I'm extremely excited about this because obviously every time I'm |
| 1:16.4 | on the deep end, I'm talking to interesting people, some I've never met, some I have. |
| 1:22.7 | But few have been people that I really felt challenged by throughout the years. |
| 1:34.7 | And one of such few is with us today. |
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