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I would imagine that a lot of you, like me, are enduring airline travel this week so that you could spend the Thanksgiving holiday with your people.

I realize I'm the outlier here, but I love airports.

Before I worked for the show full time, I had a job that was about 70% travel and I loved it even though it was exhausting.

I've loved traveling especially flying since I was little and every single time I'm on an airplane I take a moment to look out the window and marvel at the

wonder of flight. It really is incredible when you think about it. I love the hustle and

bustle of the airport, imagining where all the people are going and why. I love the challenge of being the best security.

Just give me an A-plus TSA. I just love the possibility all of it presents.

Now, whether you share my adoration of the whole idea or not, and I know a lot of you do not, we probably all agree on this. The experience of flying has gotten worse. Like, a lot worse. And I swear it's not just because now I often

have a squirmy toddler on my lap although that doesn't help. But the structural

experience of flying is becoming an increasingly negative one for most Americans.

A smooth flying experience can feel rare, much less one that's actually enjoyable.

Even for someone like me who is coming in with rose-colored optimism for the whole ordeal.

Why? What's going on? Why does something so miraculous feel like such a drag?

Our guest today is here to answer those questions.

Ganesh C. Terraman is a professor at Vanderbilt Law School,

the director of the Vanderbilt Policy Accelerator,

and the author of the new book,

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