Hello everyone and welcome to Talk Nurdy. Today is Monday, November 23rd,

2020 and I'm the host of the show Kara Santa Maria and November 23rd is a special day. You want to know why?

Because it's my mom's birthday. Everyone say, happy birthday Cara's mom.

You know, she has a name at Charlotte. She was actually on the show. You should check out that episode. I can't remember if it's called Kara's mom, but it's fascinating. I got to interview my mom. Like, how cool is that? Anyway anyway I'm getting off topic I have a super

exciting show for you today before we dive into it though I do want to thank those of

you who continue to make talk nerdy a hundred% free week after week for everybody to download.

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Daniel Lang, David J. E. Smith, Robert Christ, and Elise Christie.

Thank you all so, so very much.

Okay, let's talk about this week's show.

I have the most exciting guest for you guys.

So not only is she a co-founder of NPR's Invisibility, she's also the co-host

newly joined. She's been on the team for a long time but newly joined as the co-host of

Radio Lab. Oh my gosh congratulations and she's the author of an incredible book that I highly recommend for all of you.

It's called Why Fish Don't Exist, a story of Lost, Love, and The Hidden Order of Life.

Her name is Lulu Miller.

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