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and smartest people we know today. We're going to do a deep dive into something scary. But

sadly relevant right now, the topic of fascism. Fox's Sean Illing talks with the Yale Professor

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The word fascism has been tossed around a lot over the last four years, usually as an epiphyt.

And it's hard to know what it even means anymore. But after Trump, after the attack on the US

Capitol and the specter of violence looming over American politics ever since, this debate

feels much more urgent. Jason Stanley is a professor of philosophy at Yale in the author of How

Fascism Works. It's one of the most influential books on the topic in recent memory. And

stringed as it is, we don't really have a consensus on the meaning of fascism. It's a very slippery

term in trying to apply it is tricky. But Stanley has a somewhat controversial view. Most people

think of fascism as an ideology or a type of government. Stanley says it's a way of doing politics,

a way of seizing power, using language and propaganda. That may sound like an academic distinction,

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