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I've heard lots of anecdotal accounts of how even within the conservative

constituency there's a kind of disenchantment with the whole sort of

of religious rationale for a more illiberal even authoritarian kind of government

and society.

And so there are lots of young women from conservative families who are choosing to

unveil for complicated reasons.

There is that secular expectation that as time passes people will become more secular and less

villages that does seem to be playing out sociologically. You know anthropologists look at things happening in Turkey or sociologists engaging

in that sort of fine-grain kind of level of cultural analysis.

How that translates into voting patterns seems to be very much minimal compared to the juggernaut of conservative nationalism,

religious and secular alike that carried the day in Turkey these past two weeks.

And now the good fight with Yasha Monk.

I feel like one of my tasks in these spials for the podcast is to keep track a little bit with the rise and the

supposed fall of populism around the world.

There was some good reason for hope for a little while.

We had two generally good pieces of news in the United States and in Brazil

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