The reason I have hope is that in 2026,

the majority of voters will have been born since 1990,

that they will demand change.

And unwittingly, Donald Trump's government

will have pushed that change by releasing the Epstein files.

And by being Donald Trump.

I mean, you know, because he's the most vile human

being that the United States has ever produced. And he's surrounded by vile people. I think that cover-up

that Trump and Pam Bondi and Todd Blanche are involved in right now is a huge crime.

I'm Joanna Coles. This is The Daily Beast podcast. And if, like me, you are having problems

sorting through the Epstein files, like who's guilty, who knew, who didn't know, who was

guilty of bad judgment, who was guilty of actual

crimes that involved the more than 1,000 women who have come forward to say that they were

trafficked or abused by Jeffrey Epstein. Then we have the conversation for you today with our

favourite contributor, David Rothkopf.

This is the perfect Sunday conversation, I think, to help process the corruption at the heart

of the Epstein files and its ripple effect through all sorts of different businesses and through government.

So grab yourself a cappuccino or whatever your drink of choices could be a

bloody merit, could actually be a double whiskey for this one, and settle in because David Rothkopf,

who worked for the Clinton administration, who was an entrepreneur and a businessman, and of course, was also the editor of Foreign Policy magazine and is now the founder of Deep State Radio, which tells you something about his sources.

Well, he's whipped up a head of steam here, and he's got theories and conspiracies of his own that you're going to want to hear. Let's get to it.

David Rothkopf is in the house. David Rothkopf, it's so good to have you here. And though you may not like sitting right in front of a microphone being grilled by me,

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