Why don't we have ID cards in the UK?
The Briefing Room
BBC
4.8 • 731 Ratings
🗓️ 31 July 2025
⏱️ 29 minutes
🧾️ Download transcript
Summary
For years there has been an argument, sometimes loud, sometimes subdued, on whether Britain needs an ID card system. One big reason given for wanting them is simply to know who is here legally. With illegal and irregular migration never far from the headlines these days and with President Macron, during his recent visit describing the “pull factor” of illegal migrants being able to work in Britain, the debate is being resurrected. So, what is the history of ID cards in the UK, what form might they take if we have a system and would they work?
Presenter: David Aaronovitch
Guests:
Jon Agar, author of The Government Machine Rainer Kattel, Professor of Innovation and Public Governance, UCL Edgar Whitley, Professor of Information Systems in the Department of Management, LSE Rachel Coldicutt, technology specialist and executive director of the research consultancy, Careful Industries.
Producers: Caroline Bayley, Kirsteen Knight and Sally Abrahams Productions co-ordinator: Maria Ogundele Sound engineers: James Beard and Neil Churchill Editors: Sam Bonham and Bridget Harney
Transcript
Click on a timestamp to play from that location
| 0:00.0 | BBC Sounds, Music, Radio, podcasts. |
| 0:08.4 | For years, there's been an argument, sometimes loud, sometimes subdued, and whether Britain |
| 0:13.9 | needs an ID card system. One big reason given for wanting one is simply to know who's here |
| 0:20.8 | legally. With illegal and |
| 0:23.1 | irregular migration never far from the headlines these days and with President Macron during |
| 0:28.1 | his recent visit describing the pull factor of illegal migrants being able to work in Britain, |
| 0:34.2 | the debate is being resurrected. So what is the history of ID cards in the UK? |
| 0:40.7 | What form might they take if we have a system? And would they work? Step into the briefing |
| 0:46.6 | room and together we'll find out. |
| 0:54.1 | First, let's take a look back at when we did have ID cards in the UK. |
| 0:58.5 | I'm joined by John Agar, author of The Government Machine, which discusses the history of identity cards. |
| 1:05.4 | John Agar, we've had ID cards before in this country. |
| 1:08.5 | Tell us about the first time. |
| 1:10.7 | The first time Britain had ID cards was |
| 1:12.8 | in the First World War. They were introduced in 1916 and really didn't last very long. They were |
| 1:18.8 | introduced basically to answer a question that came up in an argument in cabinet about how many |
| 1:24.2 | fighting men there might be in the country. People had to register. They had to register |
| 1:28.4 | locally. So there was a local list of who had registered. And ID cards were issued against them. |
| 1:34.4 | But they weren't really tied to anything essential. So people basically forgot them. They got |
| 1:39.6 | left in pockets and drawers and people very soon forgot they even existed at all. Right. And then what? |
| 1:46.9 | When the end of the war, they decided they didn't need them anymore because there was no one |
| 1:50.7 | to conscript. That's right. It ended almost as soon as the war ended. So the second time the cards came in, |
... |
Please login to see the full transcript.
Disclaimer: The podcast and artwork embedded on this page are from BBC, and are the property of its owner and not affiliated with or endorsed by Tapesearch.
Generated transcripts are the property of BBC and are distributed freely under the Fair Use doctrine. Transcripts generated by Tapesearch are not guaranteed to be accurate.
Copyright © Tapesearch 2026.

