While sometimes on the podcast, we talk about textual matters.

And Joe from Santa Barbara, California writes in, Hello, Tony and Pastor John, Jude 9 and

14 to 15 confuse me.

Where is Jude getting the information from these verses?

Paul usually quotes the Old Testament and it tells us where he's quoting from at the

bottom of our Bibles, but I have no clue where Jude gets his quotations.

I've asked others about these texts and they usually say something like Paul quoted

pagan prophets, but it seems to me that Jude is actually quoting scripture.

What do we know and what do we not know about who Jude is citing here?

Well, here's what we know and what we don't know.

Jude is not quoting scripture.

That's pretty plain.

He doesn't claim to be quoting scripture, but we'll get to that in a minute.

Here's what we know and what we don't know.

We know that Jude was in the middle of rebuking some arrogant opponents in the church and

we know that in verse 9, he does this by contrasting their willingness to blaspheme what they

don't understand with the archangel Michael's unwillingness, even if it's a blasphemous judgment

against the devil.

So that's the point.

You're going to rebuke their arrogance and presumption.

So he says in verse 9, it goes like this, but when the archangel Michael contending with

the devil was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous

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