Well, this is Kurt Affairz. My name is Nathan Robinson, and I'm here with Malika Jubali. Hello, Malika.

Hey, Nathan. How you doing?

I am doing, I'm feeling, well, let's be honest with the people. I'm feeling a little discombobulated.

I'm not in the current affairs office. I'm hunkered down.

It's tropical storm or hurricane Francine is raging all around me.

I didn't know she had a name. I'm sorry about that.

They give all of the hurricanes very charming names so that when everything that you love is destroyed, you'll feel a little, you know,

calmly about it.

A little sympathy for the hurricane.

That almost sounds like the subject of what we're going to talk about, you know,

is putting nice names on things that are kind of crappy for the American people.

That's true.

Gussying up things that are awful is kind of the, probably going to be the theme.

We thought we'd get together and, wait, no, first, tell people what you do.

Who I, we need to introduce me properly.

Hi, everybody. So, as Nathan said, I'm Malika Jabali.

And this is kind of a full circle moment because Nathan and I first became acquainted because I was working on a piece on Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

I'm a journalist and an author of the book, It's Not You.

It's Capitalism, Why It's Time to Break Up and How to Move On.

And when we were first talking, I cannot believe it's been what, like seven, eight years now?

Like what's going on at the time?

I'm so confused.

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