Hi, this is Mark Kermode. Thanks for downloading this Kermode on film podcast. Or if you're watching us on YouTube, welcome to upstairs at the Sun Pub in London's bustling West End. I'm joined once again by Jack Howard.

Hello there. Today we're going to be talking about Christopher Nolan kind of generally. Because we're coming up to the release of The Odyssey. We don't think we can cover all of Christopher Nolan's work or our thoughts

on Christopher Nolan's work in one simple

half an hour podcast. So this

is going to be our first part of a

what it will be God knows how many parts

talking about the work of Christopher Nolan

so sit down, relax, grab a drink,

do it in reverse

and enjoy our conversation. Vom it into a glass. Music Sit down, relax, grab a drink, do it in reverse.

Enjoy our conversation. Vom it into a glass.

Let me ask you first, how are you feeling about the odds?

Bearing mind, none of us have seen it.

Sure.

Obviously, nobody's seen it.

It's been trailed and all the rest of it.

There was a, there was an opening sequence that was shown, I think, before, mainly Avatar, four. Four? Is it four? Ash and Fire and Fire and Ash. Which I didn't see because I've like, is it three? So it's Avatar. Avatar, the way of water, Avatar, Fire and Ash. So it is three. Three. Okay. Felt like five. Sure.

But I haven't seen it because I've lost interest. You have to see it for a job. Can I tell you a joke that I wrote that I didn't use when I did the... Tell us all, Mark. Okay. I thought this was a good joke, right? I did the Critics Circle Awards, right? and I wrote a bunch of stuff and then I ended up taking this out

for various reasons.

I thought this was did the Critics Circle Awards, right? And I wrote a bunch of stuff and then I ended up taking

this out for various reasons. I thought this was funny. Probably wasn't. I was doing a thing about,

you know, what movies had opened this year. And I said, you know, Avatar Fire and Ash, you know,

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