Hi, I'm Hannah McCarthy.

I'm Nick Capitice.

And today we are just going to jump straight in because we have a lot to get to.

So this is our guest.

I'm David Sorota, I'm the editor chief and founder of the lever an investigative news site

I'm also the host and creator of Master Plan and I was a writer who helped co-create the movie Don't Look Up and I was the

speech writer for Bernie Sanders in his 2020 presidential campaign.

All right, plenty of bona fides there, but the main reason I spoke to David for this podcast

is his new podcast, Master Plan.

Well, the podcast starts out with his new podcast, Master Plan.

The podcast starts out with a story about the first time I discovered how systemic corruption

was.

I mean, I think we all know that corruption we know

what it looks like we know it's real we know it's pervasive. Today Nick we are

talking corruption. Now David says we know what it looks like so before we go any

further do you know what it looks like Nick what is corruption? Oh what is corruption?

Oh what is corruption like in terms of what it looks like I don't think it's like obscenity.

Justice Potter Stewart in the 60s saying he couldn't define obscenity but he knows

it when he sees it.

But corruption, corruption has to have a definition. Well it's a word used

by humans so it does have a definition but this is not an essay for government class so

I am leaving the Oxford English Dictionary out of it.

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