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I know how it's going to be when I die. It's going to be no noise. You're like, people screaming.

I'm a fade out. If you don't recognize that voice, I'm not going to lie. I'm judging you a little bit.

It's Tupac Shakur from an MTV interview back in 1995. Pog died 20 years ago this week and he's

done anything but fade out. Jean, you know, I love him. I know you do. So on this episode of Code Switch,

we're going to talk about Tupac's legacy. I'm Shreen Madisal Miraji. And time, Jean Demby. And this

week we're trying to figure out, are we two reverent towards Tupac? It's 20 years since he died and

there's still so much love for this dude. Even though when he was alive, he was full of contradictions

and he was a really, really polarizing figure. And Shreen, obviously you and I debate about Tupac

all the time. Yes, I love him. You don't. I do not. And the podcast I love is that Oakland,

California, loving, charismatic, goofy Tupac that I get around Tupac.

Oh, yeah.

I mean, that song for me, it makes up a huge part of my life soundtrack. I grew up in Sacramento,

California. I spent my late teens and half my 20s living and working in Oakland. And for me,

Jean Pog was a bay dude. You know, his mom was a former black panther. He was artsy and eccentric.

He just seemed hella bay. And you know, look, if you went into the bay, there was lots of

sides to his music. There was the Fug Life Pock, the deep thinking prophetic poet, you know,

changes, keep your head up, Pock. And that's why he might be my favorite rapper of all time. I said it.

So I don't fail the way about Pock the way you do. I mean, part of this is just like East Coast

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