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Money For the Rest of Us

Why Do We Pay Taxes?

Money For the Rest of Us

J. David Stein

Investing, Investing Podcast, Business, Economics, Economy

4.51.4K Ratings

🗓️ 3 January 2018

⏱️ 31 minutes

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Summary

#186 Why paying taxes has very little to do with funding the federal government. We also explore the potential impact of the U.S. tax reform on households, businesses and the economy. More information, including show notes, can be found here.

Episode Summary – Why Do We Pay Taxes?

They say the only things certain in life are death and taxes. While that’s probably true it’s also likely that many people who have resigned themselves to paying taxes don’t truly understand why taxes are necessary. In this episode, David covers the issue extensively in light of the new Tax Cuts and Jobs Act the U.S. Congress has passed. If you take the time to listen you’ll not only understand the recent tax legislation better, you’ll also understand why you have to pay taxes in the first place, and what it does for the nation. Consider it a 30-minute lesson in economics and government spending that actually applies to your life.

Comparing the U.S. tax system to other countries like Denmark makes you wonder why taxes have to be so complicated

One of David’s friends lives in Denmark. In a recent conversation, this friend mentioned that it took him less than 10 minutes to prepare and file his taxes. Really? It’s true. But there are other things about the tax system in Denmark that might not be so attractive, like a 36% to 52% tax rate. When David started looking over his tax liability in light of the recently passed Tax Cuts and Job Act, the contrast between the two systems was obvious. After 45 minutes David couldn’t understand the implications of the legislation so he asked his tax accountant whether he’d get a tax cut or not. The answer? Maybe. It’s complicated. In this episode, David explains some of the basic principles behind how our economy and national budget work, including why taxes are necessary at all.

One reason we pay taxes is to prevent inflation. Here’s how it works:

When a government spends more than it takes in, it runs a deficit and then issues debt in order to balance its accounting books. If the federal government spends and spends and spends, the capacity of the private sector to produce goods and services is constrained and prices rise. That’s how inflation happens. Paying your taxes can help prevent inflation because it can keep federal government from overspending, particularly during a period when the economy is growing quickly. As the economy expands, households and business get more income, which means they have to pay more taxes, which keeps the federal budget deficit at a reasonable level.

What will be the overall impact of the 2017 Tax Cuts and Jobs Act?

It’s expected that the new tax legislation for 2017 is going to stimulate the economy by encouraging more production and creating incentives for more workers to join the workforce. Lower taxes mean more money for households and businesses to spend and invest. But it also means the government receives less tax revenue – which will cause the national debt to increase. Nobody knows exactly how much either of those things will grow, but David has some insights to share about the legislation’s impact, on this episode.

The new tax code is expected to impact businesses in a positive way

There are many arguments for why the new tax code passed in 2017 should benefit business. First off, corporate taxes were cut from 35% to 21%. That will make the U.S. more attractive for business to operate in. The next positive aspect for businesses is that the new legislation establishes what is called a territorial system where businesses will no longer be taxed on their overseas earnings. Previously, U.S. businesses were taxed on any earnings they made overseas if they brought those earnings back into the U.S., and businesses want to keep their tax bill as low as possible, so they kept that money overseas to the tune of $2.6 trillion dollars worth. Now they can bring that money back into the U.S. economy through a one-time repatriation tax of 15% for cash, and for other things like property, it’s 10%. David covers a handful of other benefits businesses should experience into the new tax code on this episode.

In This Episode You’ll Learn

[0:51] Residents of Denmark are able to prepare and file their taxes in 10 minutes – Wow!

[1:40] Are you going to get a tax cut from the recent legislation that was passed?

[4:01] Foundational principles about why we pay taxes in the first place

[8:44] Assessing the new tax laws after the fact: They were trying to simplify. But does it?

[17:32] What impact is the new tax legislation going to have on the economy?

[21:10] Corporate income taxes have changed from 35% to 21%, and no more taxes on overseas earnings

[27:39] Technicalities that still need to be worked out regarding the recent tax reform

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Transcript

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0:22.0

Welcome to Money for the rest of us. This is a personal finance show. It's on money. How it works. How to invest it and how to live without worrying about it. I'm your host, David Stein. Today is episode 186. It's titled, Why Do We Pay Taxes? And it might not be for the reasons that you think. Over the holiday break I was speaking to a podcaster friend. He's

0:29.0

from Denmark and files taxes in Denmark. It says, it takes them less than 10 minutes

0:34.4

to file his taxes every year.

0:36.2

Most of them, it's done electronically.

0:39.3

And so I looked it up and turns out taxes in Denmark

0:42.1

are pretty simple.

0:43.7

Everyone gets an individual personal allowance of about 45,000 Danish Krona for $7,300.

1:00.2

And your various deductions can only add up to $7,300. Examples such as interest expense, travel between home and work, charity, contributions, things of that sort, similar to the

1:07.3

US, but just $7,300, $45,000 Danish Corona.

1:13.0

Their lowest tax rate is about 36%

1:17.0

and goes up to almost 52%.

1:20.0

So higher taxes than the US.

1:24.0

US Congress just passed the Tax Cutts and Jobs Act of 2017.

1:30.0

Was signing to law by President Trump, like you I wanted to know whether I was going to

1:36.1

get a tax cut or not so I pulled out my 2016 federal tax return and spent 45 minutes. Couldn't figure out whether I was going to get

1:47.7

a tax cut or not. My 2016 federal tax return is 38 pages long. I filed Schedule A, B, C, D, Form 1116, 3,800, 4797, 4952, 6251, 6252, 6252, 6781 8282, 8960, and Form 8801.

2:09.0

Plus, I paid alternative minimum tax, which is on form 6251, and that's where I spent the

2:15.5

bulk of my 45 minutes, trying to understand that it turns out I had to go to part three.

2:23.0

So you have this alternative minimum tax form

2:26.0

that says things like if you report a capital gains distribution

2:30.0

directly on form 1040 line 13, you reported qualified dividends on Form 1040, line 9b, or you had a gain on both

2:35.6

lines 15 and 16 of Schedule D, as figured, reconfigured for the AMT if necessary, complete

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