Why Do Powerful Women Make America Panic?

Interesting Times with Ross Douthat

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🗓️ 10 January 2019

⏱️ 37 minutes

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The government shutdown continues as Trump and the Democrats battle over the border wall. Who is winning? Which side makes the stronger immigration argument? Ross Douthat, Michelle Goldberg and David Leonhardt debate. Later, they discuss why America is so afraid of female leaders, and why Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez makes the Republicans so bananas. For background reading on this episode, visit nytimes.com/theargument. Warning: this episode contains explicit language.

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0:00.0	I'm Michelle Goldberg.
0:01.4	I'm Ross Douthon.
0:02.4	I'm David Leonhart, and this is the argument.
0:06.6	This week, who is winning the fight over the border wall?
0:09.8	What is the thing that I think makes this country
0:13.0	God for lack of a better word, great?
0:15.4	It's immigration.
0:16.8	Then, powerful women in politics.
0:19.4	The news is suddenly full of them,
0:21.2	and they're drawing lots of attention, both good and bad.
0:25.0	Is America panicked by female leaders?
0:27.4	I think there are all kinds of ways for female politicians
0:30.4	to sort of turn gender dynamics to their advantage.
0:34.0	And of course, a recommendation.
0:36.0	One of the casualties of this moment in politics
0:39.0	is that I'm reading a lot less fiction.
0:46.6	The partial government shutdown is now
0:48.0	one of the longest in history,
0:49.4	and it's not clear when or how it's going to end.
0:52.2	I'm very proud of doing what I'm doing.
0:54.8	I don't call it a shutdown.
0:56.3	I call it doing what you have to do for the benefit
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