We're back one last time with Dr. John Frame on the podcast.

He's the author of a history of Western philosophy and theology, an outstanding new book that

releases in mid-November from P and R. Of course, Christians are not the only people

who know things.

Non-Christians know a lot of truth about this world and about how it works and operates.

All knowledge is in some way a revelation of God, of course.

As we talked about yesterday, but it seems that non-Christians can even perceive at some

level what is true and good and beautiful, yet the Bible also makes it clear that unbelievers

suppress the truth in unrighteousness, this Romans 1, of course.

So Dr. Frame, how would you describe the truth that unbelievers grasp and what do you

mean when you say that non-Christian thought vacillates between rationalism and irrationalism?

Well, it's very difficult to describe.

Tony, people much wiser than me have tried to do that and found it really beyond their

ability to state clearly.

Romans 1 is the clearest passage in scripture that tells us about the unbelievers' knowledge.

It tells us that God's glory is clearly revealed.

So that non-believers, pagans, as he's writing about in Romans 1, pagans have a clear knowledge

of God.

In fact, in verse 21, it even says that these pagans know God.

They don't just know about God, but they know God.

So they're not ignorant.

What they need is not additional information in a way, in a conversation between a believer

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