Why Do I Overthink EVERYTHING? Re-Wiring Our Brains w/ Maya Shankar

Soul Boom

Rainn Wilson

Religion & Spirituality, Society & Culture, Spirituality, Health & Fitness, Mental Health

4.6 • 720 Ratings

🗓️ 20 January 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Change rarely asks permission. Cognitive scientist Maya Shankar joins to unpack why we cling to certainty, how rumination traps us in mental spirals, and what it actually takes to build a self that can survive life’s curveballs. From identity loss and grief to moral beauty, compassion, and the psychology of “default options,” this conversation blends neuroscience, philosophy, and spiritual wisdom into practical tools for modern anxiety. Maya’s new book, The Other Side of Change 👉 https://a.co/d/2jfuZGt SPONSORS! 👇 Fetzer 👉 ⁠⁠⁠⁠https://www.fetzer.org⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⏯️ SUBSCRIBE!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠👕 MERCH OUT NOW! ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠📩 SUBSTACK!⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ FOLLOW US! IG: 👉 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://instagram.com/soulboom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ TikTok: 👉 ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠http://tiktok.com/@soulboom⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ CONTACT US! Sponsor Soul Boom: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠advertise@companionarts.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Work with Soul Boom: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠business@soulboom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Send Fan Creations, Questions, Comments: ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠hello@soulboom.com⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠ Executive Produced by: Kartik Chainani Executive Produced by: Ford Bowers, Samah Tokmachi Companion Arts Production Supervisor: Mike O'Brien Theme Music by: Marcos Moscat Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0	We crave what researchers call cognitive closure.
0:04.0	So we want black and white answers.
0:06.0	We want clarity.
0:07.0	And I believe that it is that desire for clarity
0:10.0	that gives rise to these sorts of mental spirals.
0:13.0	And oftentimes when we climb out of the rubble of a change
0:18.0	or a negative event of some kind,
0:20.0	all we see around us is gray. I actually think that
0:23.5	in the longer term, yes, we can use all of these techniques in the short term, right? But over the
0:28.7	longer term, we have to train our psyche to become far more comfortable with uncertainty.
0:34.5	Hey there, it's me, Rain Wilson, and I want to dig into the human experience.
0:39.7	I want to have conversations about a spiritual revolution.
0:43.1	Let's get deep with our favorite thinkers, friends, and entertainers about life, meaning, and
0:48.2	idiocy.
0:50.1	Welcome to the Soul Boom podcast.
0:57.7	Hi. Welcome to the Soul Boom podcast. Hi, Maya.
0:58.7	Hi, Rain.
0:59.7	It's so nice to meet you.
1:00.7	It's so nice to meet you too.
1:02.2	Thanks for having me.
1:03.2	I've so enjoyed your new book.
1:05.2	I'm really excited to talk to you about it.
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