The next family is the family of Xana Kronodal.

And first would be Jasmine Kronodal,

Xana's sister.

As this girl continues to talk about the loss of her sister,

how it affects your family, you can actually see him get smaller and smaller and smaller.

From the psychopath's point of view, again, the highest form of narcissism, this is not good because it doesn't make him look good at all.

Now, Scott, is that like almost like a defense mechanism?

Like he's moving his arms in more like to just like to block a blow, metaphorically of course but when when you see what's

what is referred to as turtling that's when the person starts getting smaller you see their

shoulders come up because they're they're in other words they're trying to hide they're not trying

to hide but their brain's going man this isn't good this isn't good at all you know and so from the psychological point of view, they're trying to make themselves smaller so they can't be seen as much. It makes no difference whatsoever. You can see them. But in their brain, that's what's happening. So that's why they start getting smaller. And he does that. He does, that's a classic, two classic cases of it right there. Yeah, just absolutely amazing.

Mike, did you have a question?

I just a quick question.

Watching everything with Kohlberger,

I think I've only seen him actually smile once or twice

in all the video we have of him,

and all the pretrial motions and things like that.

Why can't, if he's like a control freak, somewhat of a control freak,

why can't he just plaster a stupid smile on his face at basically like an FU to everybody

to say, you know what, I don't give a crap what you say about me. F you,

and I'm just going to sit there and smile. Why can't he do that? Is it because he's so under

attack or he just can't do it at that moment? Is there something why he cannot fight back

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