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Part-Time Genius

Why Did the Inventor of Shopping Malls Hate Malls?

Part-Time Genius

iHeartPodcasts and Kaleidoscope

Society & Culture

4.52K Ratings

🗓️ 6 January 2026

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

While no one is going to malls (or so it seems), everyone seems to be talking about them: the CDC is writing up reports on mall walkers, people are growing beards to get into the mall Santa game, and writers are waxing nostalgic about them.

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0:00.0

This is an I-Heart podcast.

0:02.6

Guaranteed Human.

0:07.4

Welcome to part-time genius, the production of IHeart Radio.

0:16.0

Guess what, Mango?

0:17.0

What's that, Will?

0:17.7

All right, I know you love shopping malls, so I'm sure you've noticed these

0:21.2

people, but you know the people who like to exercise by walking back and forth through the mall?

0:25.6

Sure, mall walkers. It's like half the country's grandparents.

0:28.8

At least, and as you've mentioned, it's especially popular with senior citizens, but they're actually

0:33.7

not the only ones doing this. There was this 2015 report from the CDC that shows that shopping malls are now the second

0:40.6

most popular place to go for a walk just behind neighborhoods.

0:44.9

How weird is this?

0:45.7

It's weird, but why is the CDC doing reports on mall walking?

0:50.2

Well, this isn't a small report either.

0:52.2

It's actually 56 pages long, and I'm reading every word of it is just riveting. But to be fair, taking walks is a way to prevent certain diseases, and the CDC is actually the Center for Disease Control and Prevention. I bet you forgot that silent pee at the end of the CDC. There's one funny thing that I learned. It actually turns out that most mall walkers don't actually shop at the mall.

1:14.7

At most, they might buy a coffee at the food court or something like that.

1:17.9

But according to the CDC report, they really just want the camaraderie, you know, to spend

1:22.5

some time strolling and socializing.

1:24.9

And that actually puts mall walkers right in line with the original idea

1:29.0

for shopping malls. So the architect who designed the first mall in America, his name

1:33.6

is Victor Gruen, he actually envisioned the mall as a place to, quote, find opportunities

1:38.7

for social life and recreation in a protected pedestrian environment.

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