So Chris, I do this whenever I run into you. I almost feel obliged to say that I watched

you interview actors growing up, which is to say that you've been interviewing actors for

how many years now. It's been over 40 years actually. I counted not long ago. Man. Okay. So

what you're doing here for us today, this cover story on Michael B. Jordan and Jonathan

Majors, the stars of Creed III, when you talk to them and you survey the work that they've made,

what part of making this film jumped out to you. I love the fact that guys who now have a little

industry respect and juice are using that. Michael B. Jordan, who is now a king of Hollywood,

who is bankable, and who could act in just about anything he wanted to, now wants to direct.

And that's that's a power move in the best sense, but it's also about taking charge of your message.

Because you could make more money doing a lot of other things. And in particular, both for

Jonathan Majors and for Michael B. Jordan, their rarefied status in the movie business allows

them to incorporate aspects of their personal lives into this movie Creed III. And while all

our biography isn't necessarily the highest form of art, it gives it a kind of intensity,

a sort of personal feel that I think makes it that much more exciting to watch.

Well, an actor just deciding to direct. Chris, I do want to jump into that a bit more because

there are stakes here with this sort of a move, right? I mean, in your 40 years of doing this,

I am sure you have seen this specific kind of a bet go horribly at times. But for this one,

give me a window into what Michael B. Jordan specifically wanted to do as a director. What was the

scene that you maybe talked to him about that still sticks with you? Well, the one that sort of

stuck out was right from the beginning. It's a scene in which Adana's Creed, who is now kind of

retired from the ring, comes out of the gym that he works out of. And there's a guy leaning against

his late model ride. A guy he doesn't immediately recognize, but who turns out to be an old friend of

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