Why Community and Courage Matter More Than Ever with Laura McKowen
The One You Feed
Eric Zimmer
4.6 • 2.5K Ratings
🗓️ 9 May 2025
⏱️ 68 minutes
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Summary
In this episode, Laura McKowen explores why community and courage matter more than ever in making change in your life. She dives into the “messy midle” – theu ncertain space between giving up what umbs us and becoming someone new. She shares the story of the Luckiest Club, a global sobriety community.
Key Takeaways:
- Understanding that real transformation is messy
- Learning how sobriety isn’t the finish line, but the starting point for deeper healing
- Understanding why community is so important and powerful
- Discover fawning as a trauma response and how it shows up in life
- Learning to balance honesty with fear
- How discernment and clarity often come in conversation with others
If you enjoyed this conversation with Laura McKowen, check out these other episodes:
How to Tap Into the Longings of the Heart with Sue Monk Kidd
A Journey to Self-Discovery and Sobriety with Matthew Quick
Special Episode: Finding Hope on the Path to Sobriety
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| 0:00.0 | Everything we do is a negotiation with the world. |
| 0:02.6 | It's a call and response and a conversation. |
| 0:12.7 | Welcome to the one you feed. |
| 0:15.1 | Throughout time, great thinkers have recognized the importance of the thoughts we have. |
| 0:19.6 | Quotes like, garbage in, garbage out, or |
| 0:22.2 | you are what you think, ring true. And yet, for many of us, our thoughts don't strengthen or |
| 0:28.3 | empower us. We tend toward negativity, self-pity, jealousy, or fear. We see what we don't have |
| 0:35.4 | instead of what we do. We think things that hold us back |
| 0:38.6 | and dampen our spirit. But it's not just about thinking. Our actions matter. It takes |
| 0:44.3 | conscious, consistent, and creative effort to make a life worth living. This podcast is about |
| 0:49.9 | how other people keep themselves moving in the right direction, how they feed their good wolf. |
| 0:58.0 | Transformation rarely arrives with a clean line or a tidy plan. It comes instead in the messy |
| 1:05.5 | middle, the space between who we've been and who we're becoming. Laura McCowan calls this the threshold where |
| 1:12.5 | everything feels uncertain, uncomfortable, and even sometimes unbearable. In this conversation, |
| 1:19.5 | we talk about what it means to stand in that in-between place, why change isn't the end of pain, |
| 1:25.4 | but the beginning of healing, and how we can start to build a life |
| 1:29.3 | that can actually hold us. Because the truth is, giving up the thing that numbed us, whether it was |
| 1:34.9 | alcohol, control, work, or anything else isn't enough. We have to become someone new. I'm Eric Zimmer, |
| 1:42.8 | and this is the one you feed. You're listening to an I-Heart |
| 1:46.4 | podcast. I found out that was related to the guy that I was dating. I don't feel emotions |
| 1:54.1 | correctly. I collect my roommate's toenails and fingernails. Those were some callers from my call-in |
| 1:59.5 | podcast, Therapy Gecko. |
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