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Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers

Why Collectivism kills Calvinism

Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers

Leighton Flowers

Baptist, Atonement, Reformed, Bible, Religion & Spirituality, Calvinism, Biblical, Arminianism, Calvin, Christianity, Christian

4.8826 Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2017

⏱️ 52 minutes

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Summary

Drs. Leighton Flowers and Johnathan Pritchett (along with a video from NT Wright) discuss the first century tribal or collectivist culture as it relates to our hermeneutic in approaching controversial passages regarding soteriology.

Dr. James Leo Garrett, an esteemed Southern Baptist scholar, wrote of a “Westernized hyper individualization” of certain biblical doctrines:

"From Augustine of Hippo to the twentieth century, Western Christianity has tended to interpret the doctrine of election from the perspective of and with regard to individual human beings. During those same centuries the doctrine has been far less emphasized and seldom ever controversial in Eastern Orthodoxy. Is it possible that Augustine and later Calvin, with the help of many others, contributed to a hyper individualization of this doctrine that was hardly warranted …?"

Let’s just be honest. We, as American Westerners, do tend to think everything is about us, the individual. We tend to read the text with an ego-centric bent. If someone tells the story of David slaying the giant, we see ourselves as the hero in that story and feel as if it is a lesson is about how we can slay the “giants” in our lives too. However, it’s much more likely that we are better represented by the Israelites hiding in fear while Christ, the actual hero of the story, slays our “giants.”

And when we read of God setting certain people apart for noble tasks, we can tend toward a self aggrandizing interpretation of those text by assuming God must have set us, as individuals, apart in a similar manner. For instance, how often have you heard someone quote, “You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you so that you might go and bear fruit” (Jn. 15:16) to prove that they were individually chosen to be effectually saved?

 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

It's time for the Soteriology 101 podcast, where God is most glorified by his love and provision for all people.

0:09.4

Welcome your host.

0:10.8

The director of apologetics for Texas Baptists, an adjunct professor of theology, and a local teaching pastor.

0:17.9

Dr. Layton Flowers.

0:20.0

Welcome to Sotriology 101. As you can see on the screen, Dr. Jonathan Pr Flowers. Welcome to Sociology 101.

0:21.8

As you can see on the screen, Dr. Jonathan Pritchett is back with us.

0:25.3

Welcome, Jonathan.

0:27.6

Glad to be here again.

0:29.6

Well, he's good to talk.

0:30.7

And you've got the squeaky chair back with you, and you got the room that's going to go

0:35.7

dark on you here in about 10 minutes after we

0:37.5

start talking. So, all right. That's great. That's how we know Dr. Pritchett's on with us.

0:45.8

That's right. Hey, I wanted to, um, we, we talked about this off camera and off screen before,

0:52.4

and I wanted to get it on screen and on camera for our listeners, because I think it's valuable information, where I know this has really been one of your primary areas of study.

1:01.5

It was a part of what helped kind of bring me out of Calvinism, along with the concepts of judicial hardening, messianic secret that we've talked about a thousand and one times on the podcast.

1:11.0

It's also this idea of the Jewish culture of understanding how the Jewish person reading Paul

1:18.8

or Peter or any of the apostles would have taken certain texts.

1:25.5

And an understanding that there's a tribal or maybe even a collectivist type of mentality

1:32.7

within the first century that's different from the way a normal westerner would think of

1:39.4

things yes but i wouldn't limit it to just the Jews I would say all of the ancient

1:46.7

Mediterranean the Greco-Roman world was collectivist okay so I wouldn't just

1:53.9

limit it to how Jewish people would understand it that's just the social

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