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Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers

John Piper admits Reformed theology is inconsistent with the Bible?

Soteriology 101 w/ Dr. Leighton Flowers

Leighton Flowers

Baptist, Atonement, Reformed, Bible, Religion & Spirituality, Calvinism, Biblical, Arminianism, Calvin, Christianity, Christian

4.8826 Ratings

🗓️ 12 June 2017

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

Dr. Leighton Flowers deals with the logical implications of the claims of Theistic Fatalism and Calvinism by responding to a clip from Dr. John Piper.

Is Calvinism logically consistent with Fatalism but not the Bible?

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0:00.0

It's time for the Soterology 101 podcast, where God is most glorified by his love and provision for all people.

0:09.4

Welcome your host, the director of apologetics for Texas Baptists, an adjunct professor of theology, and a local teaching pastor, Dr. Layton Flowers.

0:20.3

Welcome to Sotriology 101. Today we're going to talk about

0:23.3

theological fatalism. Oftentimes, fatalism is something that's accused towards or an accusation

0:31.3

brought against Calvinistic believers. Of course, they as compatibilists deny fatalism, and the reason

0:36.8

they hold to compatibilism is to try to

0:38.6

avoid the charge of being theological fatalists. And the debate has always been between

0:44.3

compatibilist and incompatibilist or those who would hold to a more libertarian freedom of the will

0:49.5

is ultimately to say, can you escape your fatalistic tendencies by holding to certain premise,

0:57.3

a certain premise that you, that you, that you formulated within your theological worldview.

1:03.0

And if your worldview is holding to a form of hard determinism that God has brought to pass all things

1:08.6

for his glory, that all things are unchangeably decreed by and

1:12.6

brought to pass by God for his greatest glory, can you escape the charge of theological fatalism?

1:19.8

So before we play a clip from John Piper, who's asked the question about how do you avoid fatalism,

1:25.0

I want to give you a direct definition. This is from Stanford Encyclopedia

1:30.0

of Philosophy, so a credible source here. It's defining the concept of theological fatalism. It says

1:35.5

fatalism is a thesis that human acts occur by necessity. The word necessity, in matter of fact,

1:41.3

if you read early church fathers, they use, instead of using the

1:44.9

word determination or determined or predestined, they use the word of necessity. Necessity is another

1:49.3

word for determined. It's done by necessity. It's done by determination of someone else. And so I'm not

1:56.4

doing what I'm doing by my own free action, but by necessity. In other words, I could not do otherwise.

2:02.9

And this becomes kind of the changeout word within the philosophical worldview and even in

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