Aaron there's this one moment from the presidential debate that I still can't get out of my head.

Okay, is it eating the pets, concepts of a plan, transgender operations on illegal aliens in prison?

Man, so many classics.

Now it's actually something else.

My position is that we have got to invest in diverse sources of energy so we reduce our

reliance on foreign oil?

They'll go back to destroying our country and oil will be dead, fossil fuel will be dead,

we'll go back to windmills and we'll go back to solar where they need a whole desert to get some energy to come out.

Whole desert to get some energy to come out.

Okay, out of all the wild debate moments, Max, you're stuck on their TIF over power plants?

Okay, hear me out.

Trump and Harris had exactly one substantive exchange.

It was on energy and climate, and it was a lot more interesting than you might think.

I just got to say, the crowd size exchange was also very

interesting but for other reasons. For a different reason that's true.

How substantively interesting was this exchange. Okay well for one energy politics

could well decide this election and for another you know we don't

actually know a lot about what Kamala would do on climate but if we agree it's one of the most

important problems facing the world today and we do yes then hearing her thinking

and climate could be really really important and if you read between the

lines here we just learned a lot.

I'm Max Fisher I'm Erin Ryan and this is how we got here a series where we explore a big question behind the

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