I think it's also important to recognize the Reformation wasn't bringing new ideas to the table.

It was restorative in nature. If you think about like an old classic car, it comes off the factory line,

brand spanking new, no missing bolts and no rust. And over the course of, you know, of course of years and years and years, 1500 years, the Catholic

church collected rust. They lost their bolts. And what Luther and other reformers wanted to do

is restore it back to its original form. And so one of the big arguments, you know,

that I'll hear often is like, oh, is this new,

these new ideas that they were bringing in

with their, with their views of law

because they were studied as theologians and lawyers.

But they were quoting, they were quoting, you know,

I'm sorry, they were quoting old church fathers like Augustine and, you know constant I'm sorry they were quoting old church fathers like

Augustine and and polycarp and Ignatius they the reason like that they were

looking back on church history and trying to bring forward the originality the

purest form of what was originally understood as grace.

Yeah, absolutely.

So when we talk about the Reformation, it might be good if we give a little synopsis of what it was

because a lot of people listening, like me, don't really know what, or didn't really know what the Reformation was. And it really, it was

birthed in the confessional where Luther saw his sin and couldn't get rid of it. And he read

the judge, she'll live by faith, and it just exploded in his heart. Realized salvation's a free

gift of God. And suddenly that burden rolled off his back, and that was this motivation to

knock on the door. I would say the Reformation was a culmination. You know, it was the climax of what

had been brewing. You know, often we, and this is the big air that a lot of well-meaning Catholics or

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