Hey, friends, welcome back to another episode of Theology.

And the raw, my guest today is David Kinnaman, who is the author of several best-selling

books, including Faith for Exiles, Good Faith, You Lost Me, and Un-Christian.

David is the CEO of Barnagroup, a leading research and communication company that works

with churches, nonprofits, and businesses, ranging from film studios to financial services.

And ever since 1995, David

has directed interviews with more than two million individuals and overseen thousands of

U.S. and global research studies. Really enjoyed this conversation. There is nobody like

David Kinneman who has just a bird's eye view on macro-trans going on in the church today.

And that's what we're going to discuss in this episode.

So please welcome back to the show, the one and only, David Kinneman.

David Kittam, it's been a while.

I hate that the, like, whenever we catch up, it's always on a live podcast.

We should actually hang out in person more often.

But how are you doing these days?

You know, I'm doing pretty good.

Life is mixed, but mostly good.

What year is this now for you at

Barna? Well, it's 2025 if you're paying attention at home. Yeah, I've been here for 30, 30 years and

counting. So I started in 95. So it's three decades, three decades, three decades.

You have, do you know, how many large studies have you been a part of? Do you have a number there,

or is it just too hard to count? It's probably too hard to count. I mean, it wouldn't be too hard

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