And how does that play out in, say, five years, 10 years?

Like, what do you think it'll look like in America in 2032?

You mentioned the political landscape.

I think Anthony Scaramucci has been on the show, run Skybitch Capital.

He recently said, I think it was 73 million Americans had exposure to crypto.

And it takes 40 or 50 million just to elect someone.

He reckoned the next president will be pro crypto.

So obviously we're seeing the government being more pro.

A lot of groups, like you said, are seeing that maybe it's something that is non-discriminatory.

But what does that look like then five, 10 years from now?

In America and in countries you've talked about like Nigeria and Sudan and Ethiopia, which

is a different reality, but still it's the same tool.

Yeah, well, Bitcoin and the whole industry that it spawns just gives people a different

way of doing things.

They don't have to sit there and participate in this system that props up just massive

inequality.

And that serves up bailouts for the wealthy and the connected at the expense of the people.

They can join a new movement, a new system.

And I think they're going to.

And I think it's just a matter of time.

It's just a slow, gradual grind.

But I think what likely starts to happen is that more companies, more corporations, more

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