Hi, it's Terry Gross from Fresh Air.

I just interviewed Billy Elish and Phineas about many things,

including how Billy's signature baggy clothes came from watching hip-hop videos.

Instead of being jealous of the women who get to be around the hot men,

I would be jealous of the hot men.

And I wanted to dress like them, and I wanted to be able to act like them.

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Hey there, shortwaver's Regina Barbara here.

And today I'm joined by NPR's most radioactive correspondent, Jeff Brunfield.

Hey, Jeff. Hi, Gina. Okay, so Jeff,

we joke about this because you cover all things nuclear. You also sometimes cover artificial

intelligence or AI. And recently, those two sides of my beat have been coming much closer together

because the big tech companies who are all leading this AI revolution. I'm talking about Microsoft,

meta, Google, Amazon, they're also making big investments in nuclear power right now.

And they're doing it because they need a lot more juice to run their AI programs. Some researchers

estimate that a search using AI uses as much as 10 times the power of a normal Google search.

Yeah. I mean, when I think of AI and nuclear power together, it just sounds like this like

dystopian sci-fi movie. Yeah, I mean, in all the movies, you know, Terminator or whatever,

when the AI gets a hold of the

nukes, it all goes wrong. But in real life, we got a way to go. Because before AI can somehow

use its nuclear power to destroy us all, Silicon Valley has to remake the nuclear industry,

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