Hi and welcome to Sabare reasons malicious life B-sides I'm Ran Levy. Most stories we tell in malicious life involve large companies, enterprises, multinational

or governmental organizations.

The reason is simple. Attacks against big organizations attract media attention,

and so there's usually plenty of investigative reports, interviews, and the like for us to work with.

And to be honest, stories about attacks against big organizations also tend to be more interesting.

There's usually more money involved and more clients and there's also inherent drama

in the mental image of a loan hacker or small cyber gang taking on a behemoth like

Microsoft or the US government. But in focusing on the bigger companies we miss an important part of the bigger picture.

According to several state of the industry reports,

attacks against small to medium-sized businesses

represent roughly 40 to 50% of all data breaches, and many times

our cyber attack against small business can have a devastating impact on that company.

Our guest today is Josh Ablet, founder and Siso at Adelier Risk, a cybersecurity agency

specializing in small but high value businesses in high a Josh spoke with Nate Nelson about the kind of security he usually finds in SMBs when he is called in to make an initial security assessment.

spoiler, not a pretty picture.

The impact of data breaches on SMBs, and what role do insurance

companies play in improving the state of security that often overlooked segment of the industry.

Enjoy the interview. You know Josh as I was preparing for this interview there was one nagging

thought in my mind the whole time so I'm going to ask you about it right up front which is this.

If I'm an attacker and my goals are say financial or political and motive I'm going

after large companies I'm going after going after governments.

Why is it that a cyber attacker would go after a smaller mid-sized

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