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My guest today is Jameel Giovanni.

Jamil actually went to Yale Law School with my sister.

That's how I first heard of him.

He is a community organizer who focuses on social mobility for young men.

He is the author of a new book called Why Young Men, the Dangerous Allure of Violent

Movement and What We Can Do About It.

And that's going to be our main topic of

discussion for today. Thanks for being on with me, Jamil. Yeah, thanks for the invitation, Coleman.

Yeah, of course. So this book, which I really recommend, is kind of part memoir and part

social science analysis of why it is that young men are so attracted to violent

movements like ISIS, radical movements, white supremacist movements, what are the uniting

variables that make young men so vulnerable to be recruited into these things worldwide?

And you kind of position yourself as someone

who was very susceptible, who kind of had all of the variables that would select for someone going

into radical movements or, you know, otherwise being kind of lost to society, getting involved

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