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Vincent Philip Munoz is professor of law and a political science at Notre Dame.

He is the founding director of the university's Center for Citizenship and Constitutional

Government.

His books include God and the Founders, Washington Jefferson, Religious Liberty, and the American Supreme Court. That's the other book.

He is one of the foremost scholars, the pressing subject of religion and law in the United States

today. And his new book continues that analysis. It is called Religious Liberty and the American

founding. Natural rights and the original meanings

of the First Amendment religious clauses. That is our topic today. Welcome, Professor Munoz.

Thank you very much. I'm so pleased to be with you. You begin by referring to a situation in

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