Welcome to the Commentary Magazine Daily Podcast. Today is Tuesday, March 30th, 2021. I am John

Pothor. It's the editor of Commentary Magazine with me as always executive editor, Abe

Ruehmolt. Hi, Abe. Hi, John. Senior writer Christine Rosen. Hi, Christine. Hi, John. And

Philian for the absent Noah Rothman are Washington commentary columnist, AEI scholar and all

around Madabatown, Matthew Contanetti. Hi, Matt. Hi, John. There's no way I could ever fill

in for Noah Rothman. I could do is contribute in the hope that I might establish some insights

to kind of his. Okay. So listen, Matt. So you weren't on the podcast yesterday and we went into

an extensive discussion of the vaccine passport idea and various other questions about herd

immunity. Christine and Abe both very skeptical to very concerned about the vaccine passport

notion. Their concerns reflected by certain red state politicians in particular, Ron DeSantis,

Christine Omen, some others about how this is the, you know, the sort of tentacles of the state

reaching people and that it's not fair. All of that. And we got emails in response to my support

of the vaccine passport. My support by the way, the vaccine passport is not considered or,

you know, studied or anything like that. It's more like, I don't like you people who aren't going

to get the vaccine. So I want you to suffer because it's been a year and I want to get the hell out

of this period that we're in. And if you are going to interfere with that, I have some misguided

sense of, you know, either some kind of weird anti vaccine mood or whatever else,

fine for you. So you, what you are doing in doing this is impinging on my ability and the ability

of America to get back into the full swing of life. And I don't like you and I'm mad at you.

And I want you to have to have this vaccine passport precisely because you don't like it.

I'm just trying to express my emotions here, which is like, don't make this harder.

I've been, we've been spending a year complaining about blue state, nanny, neurotic, you know,

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