This, this, this is mythical. What makes a cookie so expensive? It's just sugar, flour, and butter. Buckle up, Josh, you're about to find out. You cool to take this one, award-winning pastry chef, Christina Toese? Oh, yeah. I was born for this one. This is a hot dog is a sandwich. Ketchup is a smoothie. Yeah, I put ice in my cereal, so what? That makes no sense. A hot dog is a sandwich. A hot dog is a sandwich. What? You thought that was seductive? Okay, fine. More like official. Is that better? Welcome to our podcast. A hot dog is a sandwich. The show we break down the world's biggest food debates. I'm your host Joshair.

And I'm your host, Nicole Initi.

And today we have a very special guest on the pod.

She's the founder, owner of Milk Bar, James Beard Award-winning pastry chef, and the progenitor of cool girl baking.

A woman who is as iconic as her cereal milk, ice cream, and compost cookies.

It is the Christina Tosi.

Christina, welcome to the show.

Hi, guys.

I mean, is a hot dog a sandwich?

It sure is.

Thank you.

Yeah, I'm over the drama.

It is.

A woman on the right side of history.

So we founded this podcast more than five years ago at this point, and we had not covered the actual topic of whether or not a hot dog is a sandwich until we did a five-part series where we interviewed a philosopher, a historian, a lawyer, because there have been multiple legal battles over this.

And then an actual hot dog business owner

to get the real boots on the ground, and then we debated people on the street. And we've

still been split until now, because Nicole wants to defer to you, which I really respect. Yes,

yes. I am a very respectful debater. But the reason we wanted to have you here today is because I feel like we are going through

maybe a third, I'm going to call it the third wave cookie renaissance.

I knew you're going to say renaissance.

There's a rena, but there's a new renaissance, but I think you can sort of track these waves

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