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I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST

Why Are Christian Institutions Trading Truth for a Leftist Agenda? with Megan Basham

I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST

Dr. Frank Turek

Christianity, Religion & Spirituality, Education

4.85K Ratings

🗓️ 16 December 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

How are once-trusted, conservative Christian institutions like World Relief, Biola University, and Baylor drifting into wokism? This week, Daily Wire journalist, Megan Basham joins Frank to discuss new stories that have come to light since the publication of her bestselling book, 'Shepherds for Sale', and uncovers the subtle (and not-so-subtle) ways Christian institutions are being infiltrated by secular ideology. Together, Frank and Megan tackle questions like:* What “dirty little secret” do most people don't know about many religious NGOs (non-government organizations) that work with immigration, like World Relief?* Why did World Relief condemn the Trump Administration for ordering further vetting of Afghan refugees and what happened the very next day?* What does the Bible say about legal and illegal immigrants?* Was Jesus a refugee?* Is Biola University going woke? And why did Charlie Kirk publicly raise the alarm?* What is 'Side B Theology', who are its proponents, and how does it lure believers toward sexual immorality?* Why does Everett Piper believe that Christian students are better off going to secular universities?* Why are some Christian schools blocking TPUSA chapters?When Christian institutions trade truth for trends, the Church must be vigilant, vocal, and ready to demand accountability. The goal isn't destruction, but restoration of the faithful institutions they've been in the past. As Proverbs 27:6 states: 'Wounds from a friend can be trusted, but an enemy multiplies kisses.' Be sure to grab your copy of 'Shepherds for Sale' if you haven't already, and stick around for the end of the program to hear what surprising project Megan is working on next!If you enjoyed this podcast episode PLEASE HELP US SPREAD THE TRUTH OF CHRISTIANITY BY SUPPORTING OUR MINISTRY USING THE LINK BELOW. 100% of your donation goes to ministry, 0% to buildings!Resources mentioned during the episode:Donate to CrossExamined - http://CrossExamined.org (http://crossexamined.org/)Biola University Announces Official Launch of TPUSA Chapter - https://x.com/megbasham/status/1998902917642727785 (https://x.com/megbasham/status/1998902917642727785)TPUSA vs. Christian Schools - https://bit.ly/4aTnqSK (https://bit.ly/4aTnqSK)Religious NGO That Settled Afghan Shooter Condemned Trump For Additional Vetting Order - https://bit.ly/48YmPg6 (https://bit.ly/48YmPg6)The Fight To Make A Christian College Christian Again - https://bit.ly/4952GVQ (https://bit.ly/4952GVQ)Shepherds for Sale by Megan Basham - https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063413442 (https://www.amazon.com/dp/0063413442)Follow Megan on X - https://x.com/@megbasham (https://x.com/@megbasham)The Pendragon Cycle - COMING SOON to DailyWire+! - https://get.dailywire.com/subscribe/pendragon/ (https://get.dailywire.com/subscribe/pendragon/)

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0:00.0

Ladies and gentlemen, we know there's enormous pressure on people personally to conform with the culture.

0:09.0

And you probably feel that every day, especially if you're out in the culture and you work, say, in a corporation or you're online,

0:17.0

and you see that people are not just unchristian by anti-Christian, but anti-Christian.

0:22.2

And we're all tempted to say, hey, I don't need to be as strident as I normally am.

0:28.2

Maybe I can massage what my beliefs are so I'm not condemned as much.

0:33.0

We're all tempted to do this, especially if you have a more peaceful personality and you're not really

0:40.3

someone that likes confrontation, you're probably going to want to say, I don't want to really

0:44.2

get involved in this fight now. I'm just going to be quiet about this or I'm going to,

0:49.0

I'm going to shave the rough edges off this position or that kind of thing. Well, it not only happens to individuals,

0:55.9

it can also happen to institutions. And when it happens to institutions, we need to pay attention

1:03.7

because some of us may be donating to some of these institutions. Some of us may be sending our

1:08.5

children to some of these institutions. Some of us may think sending our children to some of these institutions.

1:22.0

Some of us may think these institutions are institutions we can trust for good theology and good practice when in fact they've been compromised and we don't even know it.

1:30.0

Well, somebody who can help us discover whether or not these organizations are compromised is the great Megan Batson, ladies and gentlemen.

1:32.2

Here she is.

1:36.3

She brought her own audience as well, but we just shut them up for a second.

1:40.2

Megan, everyone knows Megan wrote this great book called Shepherds for Sale.

1:46.0

And there are so many people that hate this book, which means it's really good because she's exposed a lot of malfeasance and a lot of this creeping secularism or creaking wokeism in so

1:53.3

many of our institutions. Megan, before we get into some new stories that are similar to what you

1:59.7

have in Shepherds for sale. Everyone wants to

2:02.2

know how you're doing personally because you came through cancer treatment. So give us an update.

2:06.8

What's happening? Yeah. Thanks for asking, Frank. And thanks for having me. You know,

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