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The Take

Why are Afghan refugees being sent back to Taliban rule?

The Take

Al Jazeera

News, Daily News, Politics, News Commentary

4.7748 Ratings

🗓️ 14 July 2025

⏱️ 21 minutes

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Summary

Afghans who fled decades ago are now being forced back to Taliban-ruled Afghanistan as Iran, Pakistan, or the US turn their backs on them. With refugees who were once promised safety now being deported into crisis, why are these countries choosing to abandon them, and what does this reveal about the state of asylum worldwide?

In this episode:

  • Obaidullah Baheer (@ObaidullaBaheer), Adjunct Lecturer, American University of Afghanistan

Episode credits:

This episode was produced by Remas Alhawari and Marcos Bartolomé with Leonidas Sofogiannis, Kisaa Zehra, Melanie Marich, Sarí el-Khalili, and guest host, Kevin Hirten. It was edited by Kylene Kiang and Alexandra Locke.

The Take production team is Marcos Bartolomé, Sonia Bhagat, Spencer Cline, Sarí el-Khalili, Diana Ferrero, Tracie Hunte, Tamara Khandaker, Kylene Kiang, Phillip Lanos, Chloe K. Li, Melanie Marich, Haleema Shah, Khaled Soltan, Amy Walters, and Noor Wazwaz. Our editorial interns are Remas Alhawari, Marya Khan, and Kisaa Zehra. Our guest host is Kevin Hirten. Our engagement producers are Adam Abou-Gad and Vienna Maglio. Aya Elmileik is lead of audience engagement.

Our sound designer is Alex Roldan. Our video editors are Hisham Abu Salah and Mohannad al-Melhem. Alexandra Locke is The Take’s executive producer. Ney Alvarez is Al Jazeera’s head of audio. 

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Al Jazeera Podcasts.

0:07.0

Today, deportations of Afghan refugees are accelerating.

0:16.0

We were given a formal warning, even though we had valid registration papers, they were cancelled,

0:21.6

and we were issued exit documents with a deadline to leave.

0:25.7

We'll look at what's behind the decision to deport millions and whether Afghanistan is safe enough to return to.

0:34.8

I'm Kevin Horton, and this is the take.

0:44.2

It's such a calamity in a difficult time that not speaking about it kills you,

0:49.9

speaking about it, just lights the world on fire with how dark and sad it is. So I'm Obedullah

0:56.2

Bahia. I am a university lecturer in Afghanistan. I am based in Kabul. Abedallah, welcome to the

1:04.4

take. When we talk about Afghan refugees, who are we referring to and where are they living?

1:12.3

So when we say Afan refugees, we're talking about one of the biggest refugee population in the

1:16.6

world, but majorly this conversation is happening around refugees, settled in Pakistan and

1:24.1

Iran. We have refugees in other neighboring countries as well, but those numbers are not as

1:29.5

significant or even close. And this is a very specific distinction, refugee. These are people who are

1:36.3

fleeing for a number of reasons. One is political. One is economic as well. I mean, we, there were

1:43.9

people who mocked us saying, well, Afghans are people who hate their

1:48.8

country who were willing to hang on to airplanes and fall to their deaths just to get out

1:54.4

of their country.

1:55.1

So my usual answer to them is park an airplane in any of the non-Western world's major cities and tell the people

2:03.0

that they can go to the west, no questions asked if they got on the plane, and then tell me

2:08.7

if the last person leaving turns off the lights or not. So ultimately, the major factor is

2:16.3

economic. People leave their country to find a better life somewhere else.

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