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episode. I think that that's a short-term problem because I actually think that we're at a

zero to one moment here. And as we look long-term, more and more of this is actually going to come

natively on chain. Vlad was on CNBC last week and he basically said, he used crypto as the next

evolution here. So we started off a pen and paper, you know, went to mainframe, you know, on site eventually, obviously, all the way to crypto.

And I'm sure when people move from pen and pen and paper to computerized or some friction there as well, the pen and paper couldn't keep up as well.

But I want to keep everything in pen and paper.

I think crypto is the rails of the future.

And we're all going to move there eventually.

Hi, everyone. Welcome to Unchained. You're a no high resource for all things crypto. I'm your host,

Laura Shin. Heads up, we have a double header today with two back-to-back interviews.

So after the first interview with Stephen Goldfetter of off-chain

labs, who spoke about the Robin Hood deal, we'll also hear about a $59 million controversy on

Polymarket. We love reading your listener comments, and we feature them in every episode. Today,

we have a comment from Potens on X, writing a response to our recent episode with Hossu and Vosceli

about Lido's launch of dual governance. Potence wrote X, writing a response to our recent episode with Hossu and Vossili about

Lido's launch of dual governance.

Potence wrote, dual governance is fascinating, balancing token holder interests with protocol

needs.

Curious to know if this model becomes the new standard for sustainable defy governance.

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