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A quick heads up.

This conversation involves Frank talk about anti-Semitism.

The language gets a little salty.

Isaac, how worried are you about anti-Semitism right now?

I mean, I would say pretty worried.

Isaac Saul edits the website Tangle. He's also Jewish. Like if you have a scale

like one to ten, and has it changed? Yeah. I would say it's changed pretty seriously. I would say

if you asked me this question three years ago, I would have said, like, negative three.

I wanted to talk to Isaac because I kept doing these interviews, one after another, about

anti-Semitic discourse on the right, anti-Israel discourse on the left, which are not the same

thing, of course. But it felt like something important was shifting,

and it felt like the time to talk about it.

I was somebody who I think sort of laughed at and mocked my mom or grandmother

for just like seeing anti-Semitism everywhere.

I was always telling them like, nobody cares

about the Jews anymore, guys. Like we've moved on to a different era. So what changed it?

Well, I started to experience it.

What Isaac started to experience was mostly online, a lot of times coming from younger people. On the left,

it would look like someone publicly wondering why Isaac is a Jew felt the need to look like a victim.

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