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A quick heads up.

This conversation involves frank talk about anti-Semitism.

The language gets a little salty.

Isaac, how worried are you about anti-Semitism right now?

I mean, I would say pretty worried.

Isaac Saul edits the website Tangle. He's also Jewish. Like if you have a scale

like one to ten, and has it changed? Yeah. I would say it's changed pretty seriously. I would say

if you asked me this question three years ago, I would have said, like, negative three.

I wanted to talk to Isaac because I kept doing these interviews, one after another, about

anti-Semitic discourse on the right, anti-Israel discourse on the left, which are not the same

thing, of course. But it felt like something important was shifting,

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