So Andrew basically has been thrown under the bus. And of course, if some of the Epstein material

gets released, as we hope, I think that's going to open up a whole new can of worms.

I'm Joanna Cole. This is the Daily Beast podcast, and close followers may remember that

eight weeks ago, we had on the author, Andrew Loney, to talk about his book entitled The Rise and the Fall of

the House of York. How little did Andrew know quite what impact that book would have last week, saw

the king stripping Prince Andrew of his royal titles and banishing him from the 30-room Royal Lodge to a much

smaller farmhouse in a corner of God-forsaken Norfolk, which is rainy and windy on the

Sandringham estate, though there is very good grouse shooting, just pointing that out.

But I've spent a lot of time in Norfolk, so I happen to know that the weather there is

frequently grey.

Anyway, of course, there was also then the follow-on publication of Virginia Jewfrey's book,

Nobody's Girl.

But what this is all amounting to is the adjacency, and indeed the friendship

and the lying about the friendship with none other than Epstein, Epstein, Epstein. So, no time to

waste. Let's get into it with Andrew Loney and talk about his role in stripping Prince Andrew of his royal

titles.

Andrew Loney, welcome back.

Last time, I'm very pleased to say we had you on the podcast on the day of the release

of your book entitled, subtitled, the rise and fall of the House of York.

And the fall has continued since the publication of your book. And of course, the publication

of Nobody's Fool by Virginia Dufrey. Can you bring us up to date with what on earth is happening with Andrew

formerly known as Prince? Well, I mean, he's been sent in effect into exile, exile in

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