Hey everybody, I'm Kim Holderness and I'm paying Holderness. Thank you so much for checking out the Holderness family podcast. You guys, it is been a minute. Yeah, we took a break.

We took a break. It's like a week or two. I don't know. Why does that feel like long? Is it because of COVID when we did like 17 things a week?

Anyway, thanks for joining us today and if you don't mind, if you don't mind, if you could leave us a review, a review like this one.

Yeah, this is from boy, my vision is bad. Is it BSCC member? Yeah, okay, great. Or BSCC. BSCC saying, I so look forward to this weekly dose of pen and Kim. Thank you for being so real with us and authentic about your highs and lows. I can so relate.

I recommend your podcast to everyone in my circle because your kindness and insights and humor make me feel good about being a human smiley face emoji. It's it sounds silly, but I really think I'm better. I'm a better partner and person because of listening to you to and your audiobook.

You guys, if you like this podcast and haven't listened to that yet, you must. Well, that's very sweet of you. So we did we wrote a book called Everybody Fights. We did an audiobook.

We did a more fun with the audiobook by a long shot than we did actually writing the book, not that we didn't have fun writing the book.

But writing a book is really hard and took us like three years. So I will say we do have a we're putting a proposal together and I'll kind of need to keep it top secret for another book.

But what I'm saying, but what I want to say is we had so much fun recording the audiobook and there were things we would have done differently once we read it out loud, but we couldn't make significant changes in it because it like it needed to be a certain amount of like it had already been like gone through the not printing, but it had we knew how many pages it needed to be.

So we couldn't like I would have bulked this up. So I think we are next book. We're going to read it out loud first. Oh, really? And then okay, because I felt like I we there are some things I'm like, gosh, I wish we would have talked more about this or like, oh, we didn't need to put this in.

You're point we discovered some we discovered even more while we were doing the audiobook and it that was way, way far along in the process. And we we did make little tweaks in the audiobook as we were like, you know, let's take that out and let's add this. Right. We made little tweaks.

Well, that's a good idea. We'll have to make sure that we figure out how to do that correctly.

Thank you so much for that review. And it means it's like so awkward for whatever reason to like read nice things about yourself.

But in terms of highs and lows, the last time you heard our podcast, we just shared the news about Penn's father's passing. And I think that I don't know how to say this.

Thank you so much everybody for reaching out and for your kindness and the grace. And it was such a beautiful service. And Penn gave Penn and his brother gave just really touching eulogies.

And it was so lovely to like be surrounded by so many people. I mean, he was in his 80s and had a standing room only funeral at a really big church so that just tells you the kind of impact he had in the community. But it's also.

I think the both of us were kind of caught off guard. Like this is something we were expecting. But like both of us were caught off guard with the amount of grief.

Like that we were feeling like that in the immense sadness.

Yeah, and the timing of it. The timing was weird. I definitely was sad when it happened. I was incredibly moved and sad at the funeral.

At the wake or the part afterwards, I don't know if I like disassociated. I don't know what happened. But I don't remember a lot of it.

He doesn't remember chunks of what happened. So would love to know what what that's all about.

But and then we went on a vacation with some friends, which was a needed kind of release. But then grief just popped its way in in the most in opportune times.

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