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The Ezra Klein Show

Why American Jews No Longer Understand One Another

The Ezra Klein Show

New York Times Opinion

Society & Culture, Government, News

4.611K Ratings

🗓️ 23 July 2025

⏱️ 24 minutes

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Summary

The consensus that held American Jewry together for generations is breaking down. That consensus, roughly, was this: What is good for Israel is good for the Jews; anti-Zionism is a form of antisemitism; and there will someday soon be a two-state solution that reconciles Zionism and liberalism — or, at the very least, Israel is seeking such a solution. Every single component of that consensus has cracked. And as I've been talking to people from different walks of American Jewish life — politicians and rabbis and activists and analysts and journalists — what I realize is there is nothing coming in to replace it. Read the column here. Thoughts? Guest suggestions? Email us at [email protected]. You can find the transcript and more episodes of “The Ezra Klein Show” at nytimes.com/ezra-klein-podcast. Book recommendations from all our guests are listed at https://www.nytimes.com/article/ezra-klein-show-book-recs.html This column read for “The Ezra Klein Show” was produced by our executive producer, Claire Gordon, and Marie Cascione. Fact-checking by Jack McCordick and Michelle Harris. Our senior engineer is Jeff Geld, with additional mixing by Isaac Jones. The show’s production team also includes Annie Galvin, Rollin Hu, Elias Isquith, Marina King, Jan Kobal, Kristin Lin and Aman Sahota. Original music by Pat McCusker. Audience strategy by Kristina Samulewski and Shannon Busta. The director of New York Times Opinion Audio is Annie-Rose Strasser.

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0:00.0

The

0:07.0

The It is a tense time in the Jewish family group chats.

0:34.4

The consensus had held American Jewry together for generations is breaking down. That

0:40.0

consensus roughly was this. What is good for Israel is good for the Jews. Anti-Zionism is a form

0:47.0

of anti-Semitism. And there will someday soon be a two-state solution that reconcile Zionism

0:54.0

and liberalism. At the very least,

0:57.0

Israel is seeking such a solution. Every single component of that consensus has cracked.

1:05.5

And as I've been talking to people from different walks of American Jewish life. Politicians and rabbis and activists and

1:12.5

journalists, what you realize is there is nothing coming in to replace it. Young Jews look at Gaza

1:20.3

and say, everything I was taught in religious school tells me this is wrong. People who want to say,

1:26.8

I just want to extricate Zion from Judaism.

1:29.4

You do that, you get a different form of religion.

1:31.3

I was sort of like hit by this,

1:33.8

it was almost physical.

1:34.9

Like, this is the question of this moment in Jewish history.

1:40.1

Zora and Mamdani's triumph in New York City's Democratic primary for mayor

1:43.1

has forced, among many Jews, a reckoning, a reckoning with how far they've drifted from one another, how little they now understand each other.

1:53.9

Mamdani doesn't use a slogan globalizing defada, but he does not condemn those who do, although he more recently said he would discourage it.

2:02.1

Mamdani said that if he were mayor, Benjamin Netanyahu,

2:04.9

the prime minister of Israel,

2:06.6

would face arrest on war crimes charges if he ever set foot in New York City.

2:12.1

And then a few weeks before the election,

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