I'm Tom Billu, and this is Impact Theory. Welcome back to my conversation with former CIA covert officer Andrew Bustamante.

If you haven't heard part one, go back and start there, because what comes next will only hit harder once you know what this guy's really capable of.

In part two, we're digging into the dark arts of persuasion, how power is wielded behind closed doors, and how you can start

applying spy tactics to regain control of your own life. Let's jump right back in. According to J.

Badacharya, the new director of the NIH, they probably funded the gain of research, gain of function

research in the Wuhan lab, which is probably, according to J. Badacharya,

where COVID emanated from.

And he's making it sound like that's a bad thing.

But is it really a bad thing, according to this paradigm, if we could make a biological weapon that we could use to

keep Americans safe? And should we surreptitiously run an experiment on the entire world population

to see how well this stuff works?

Looking through the lens of right and wrong, everybody has their own opinion, right?

But when it comes to long-term strategic benefit, the only reason chemical and biological weapons

are wrong is because we have a treaty that says we won't do that.

In reality, there's lots of situations where we have treaties

and people are still developing options look at the whole idea of weaponizing space right look at

the idea of a space force there was a time when we didn't want to weaponize space at all yeah

then we developed the space force them days is over them days is over we wanted then we

developed the space force and now the whole world is talking about like is it the the golden dome, I think it's called now. Golden dome, yep. Which is the act. China's supposedly going to get their quantum computers off the ground by mining helium on the dark side of the moon. This is all probably conjecture, but still. But don't, don't forget China was a, China launched a missile to destroy satellites to create debris in space. And what was that? 2001, 2003, something like that. Right? So it's already been kind of proof of concept about weaponizing space has already taken place. I don't know why we would think that biological chemical weapons would be an exception, right? They're in use in Sudan for crying out loud. I'm not saying we're not doing it.'m saying is it morally right or wrong yeah it's not morally right or wrong like i'm trying to find the

edges of when we talk about moral flexibility remember my goal and this is more for anybody listening

than just for you but i am trying to figure out how the world actually works not how i want it to work

not how i think it ought to work how it actually works and. And every word out of your mouth, while it is sinking my stomach, feels like it has high predictive validity.

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