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The Dispatch Podcast

Why America Needs to Win the AI War | Interview: Megan McArdle

The Dispatch Podcast

The Dispatch

Politics, News

4.43K Ratings

🗓️ 2 June 2025

⏱️ 62 minutes

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Summary

Megan McArdle joins Jamie Weinstein to react to the first few months of Donald Trump’s presidency and to explain why America needs to win the AI race. The Agenda:—Liberation Day: “It was shambolic”—Trump’s shadow Cabinet—What DOGE got right (and wrong)—Elon Musk: A “managerial mad genius?”—Paul Ryan vindicated again—How to adapt to an AI world—Calm before the AI storm The Dispatch Podcast is a production of ⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠The Dispatch⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠, a digital media company covering politics, policy, and culture from a non-partisan, conservative perspective. To access all of The Dispatch’s offerings—including members-only newsletters, bonus podcast episodes, and regular livestreams—⁠⁠⁠⁠⁠click here. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:30.0

Welcome to the Dispatch Podcast. I'm Jamie Weinstein. My guest today is Washington Post columnist

0:36.2

Megan McCartle. And we discuss a lot of different issues on this episode from Donald Trump's first hundred days to the tariff war, to Doge, to Elon Musk, to the debt problem, but primarily and maybe most importantly, AI and what it pretends for all of us.

0:52.5

So without further ado, I think you're going to like this episode.

0:55.5

Here is Megan McArnell.

1:10.6

Megan McArdle. Thanks for having me.

1:14.6

I want to get into a subject which I think reviewing all your columns for the last year

1:19.1

might be the most important subject that you've been thinking about, AI, just based on the number

1:24.7

of columns that have been written about it. But first, I'm obligated to ask you about the first hundred days or so of the Trump administration.

1:34.7

So what is your initial thoughts?

1:37.8

Has the first hundred days surprised you in any way?

1:40.3

Has it gone as you expected?

1:41.5

I would say it's about what I expected.

1:43.9

It was, you know was shambolic.

1:47.9

They came in with a lot of big plans and executed on very few of them.

1:53.9

I will say that I think maybe I should take that back.

1:57.9

They were more aggressive on DEI stuff and more effective on it than I thought

2:04.0

they would be. But in general, and I think the tariffs were more outsized and catastrophic than I

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