We reach a point where the machines are autonomous,

to able to make their own decisions,

they have their own on-chain identities,

they have the ability to update their own objective functions

and reward models, which in combination with

crypto-economic property rights basically makes them sovereign economic actors.

All this will be coming in the next 12 months.

That's pretty soon.

For sure.

At that point, you have this completely Darwinian market

for intelligence, and we don't know what

happens next.

Ben, Harry, thank you so much for coming on. Let's start here. What is the biggest misunderstanding

that people might have about the problem you're trying to solve? I think probably how deep the problem itself actually is. I think people

think a lot about the AI space right now and they think about this sort of like product level,

like the systems they're interacting with like chat GPT and things like that, but they don't

realize how much is actually behind those systems necessarily. And I think the wider world, how much

centralization is actually behind those systems. Those And I think the wider world, how much centralization is actually

behind those systems. Those systems rely on very small number of companies to run them. To the average

user, you sort of know that you're interacting with Open AI, but you don't actually realize

how much is going through their servers and their systems. Behind the scenes, there's enormous

kind of layers of technology. And actually, that isn't necessarily the best way to build things, as maybe listeners of

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