Why a Minneapolis pastor went from Trump supporter to critic
Here & Now Anytime
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🗓️ 27 January 2026
⏱️ 24 minutes
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Then, Legal Rights Center community defense attorney Anna Hall shares the advice she and her group give to people monitoring federal agents conducting immigration raids in Minneapolis.
And, the killing of two people at the hands of federal officials has Princeton University historian Julian Zelizer thinking back to May 4, 1970, when National Guard troops opened fire and killed four students protesting the Vietnam War at Kent State University in Ohio. He joins us.
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| 0:29.0 | The main message on the migrations is that they were going to get criminals. |
| 0:36.7 | I don't want rapists or killers or gay members to go be out there and making our parks insecure. |
| 0:39.7 | But what they're doing in Minnesota, is not that. |
| 0:45.6 | A Minneapolis pastor delivering food to neighbors afraid to leave their homes and questioning his vote for President Trump. |
| 1:02.5 | It's Tuesday, January 27th, and this is here and now anytime from NPR and WBUR Boston. |
| 1:03.6 | I'm Chris Bentley. |
| 1:14.2 | Today on the show, Renee Maclin Good and Alex Pretty were both observers in Minneapolis, |
| 1:20.5 | volunteering to document civil rights abuses by federal troops and prevent things from getting out of control. Immigration agents shot them dead in the street. People are grieving and enraged, but not discouraged from exercising their First Amendment |
| 1:33.0 | rights. |
| 1:33.9 | Also, those killings by federal agents remind historian Julian Zelizer of the 1970 massacre |
| 1:40.4 | at Ohio's Kent State University, when National Guard troops shot and killed four students |
| 1:46.3 | protesting the Vietnam War. |
| 1:48.1 | The troops themselves are an issue, and that's where the threat is now coming from. |
| 1:52.5 | But ultimately, it's a policy decision. |
| 1:55.1 | It's about the administration. |
| 1:56.8 | And the buck stops there, and ultimately that's the only way to really bring this to an end. |
| 2:02.6 | That story coming up in about 15 minutes. |
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