It's these seeds that get planted decades prior and this sense of injustice or grievance that I think builds up.

And I think that we saw that in 2008 and exactly, you know, the way that all of that got handled, I think, came to bear in the 2016 election and in a lot of what's happened since then.

I have similar fears about the handling of this economic crisis, because despite what the

stock market will tell you, it is still an economic crisis.

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What's going on, guys? It is Wednesday, December 23rd, and today on the breakdown's end-of-year

extravaganza, we have Jill Carlson. Jill Carlson is an investor at Slow Ventures and the co-founder

of the Open Money Initiative. She's one of the most fluid thinkers around about where Bitcoin

and traditional markets intersect, and her fluid thinkers around about where Bitcoin and traditional

markets intersect, and her interest in the impact of Bitcoin and crypto and new financial

technologies is absolutely global. I love this conversation. I know you're going to enjoy

all 21 minutes of it as well. Let's dive in. All right, Jill, welcome back to the breakdown. How are you doing?

Yeah, it's good to be here. Thanks so much for having me.

I feel like I'm starting to have a tradition of holiday episodes have to feature, have to

feature you now. I think that we did July 4th and I might have even might have even tried last year

or something like that.

But anyways, I'm super excited for this. It's really fun. We've been having these great conversations

just kind of like ripping through the year that was, the year to come. I know you spent a ton of

time thinking about this stuff. So I think we're going to have a lot of fun. Awesome.

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