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The Documentary Podcast

Whose Truth?: Russia v Ukraine

The Documentary Podcast

BBC

Documentary, Society & Culture

4.32.7K Ratings

🗓️ 5 June 2024

⏱️ 18 minutes

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Summary

Can information become a weapon of war? Oleksandra Matviichuk, whose organisation was awarded the Nobel Peace Prize, is documenting alleged Russian war crimes against Ukraine. She talks to Babita Sharma about how she uncovers the evidence. Babita also speaks to Anastasiia Romaniuk, a young Ukrainian digital platforms analyst, who is exposing disinformation around the war, and to Lisa Kaplan, founder and CEO of a US company which helps organisations protect themselves from social media manipulation.

This content was created as a co-production between Nobel Prize Outreach and the BBC. Image: Courtesy of Oleksandra Matviichuk

Transcript

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0:00.0

Russians came to kill us, so it have a very direct impact for several years before large-scale war, Russia used information like a weapon of mass destruction.

0:21.2

The invasion, the attack that Russia promised would never happen has now started.

0:27.0

Russian began its full-scale invasion of Ukraine in February 2022,

0:32.0

but for years it had been sewing the seeds for what it called a special military

0:36.4

operation with anti-Ukrainean messages directed towards its own people.

0:41.6

I saw the same pattern when they were asked,

0:45.4

why are you fighting?

0:47.3

They answered the same.

0:49.0

They told, we saw in Russian TV

0:52.0

how this Ukrainian fascist killed women and children and we can't stand it and that is why we decided to go to fight.

1:03.0

Now into the third year of the full-scale war,

1:06.0

and also a crucial election year for democracy supporting Ukraine,

1:10.0

the disinformation is intensifying and becoming more sophisticated. The way that we see it playing out in the United States is that the Russian government

1:19.1

which you know used to try to sow chaos by amplifying narratives on both sides of the political spectrum is now

1:26.8

laser focused on amplifying narratives and

1:35.0

this is the

1:40.0

this is the documentary who's truth

1:42.0

I'm Abita Sharma and this is the documentary

1:41.0

Who's Truth from the BBC World Service.

1:45.5

On this episode, the war between Russia and Ukraine and how disinformation is being weaponized

1:50.6

to shake Western support, we meet a Nobel Prize Laureate whose work is

1:55.8

being undermined by Russian fake news and disinformation and we hear from

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