Whom Shall I Fear? Examining Courage in the Christian Faith with Heidi St. John

I Don't Have Enough FAITH to Be an ATHEIST

Dr. Frank Turek

Religion & Spirituality, Education, Christianity

4.8 • 5K Ratings

🗓️ 14 October 2025

⏱️ 56 minutes

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Aristotle said, "Courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees the others." But what does it REALLY mean to have courage?Frank sits down with author and speaker, Heidi St. John, to discuss how to overcome fear in a world full of hostility towards biblical Christianity. From surviving childhood abuse, cancer, and severe anxiety to homeschooling her seven children and even running for Congress, Heidi has learned firsthand how God uses trials to deepen our faith and push us outside our comfort zones. Together, Frank and Heidi unpack what real courage looks like, why Christians need it now more than ever, and how to instill it in others (especially our kids!).They tackle questions like:* Why is courage the foundation for living out our Christian faith?* Is courage simply the absence of fear?* What's the best way Christian parents can model courage for their children?* What does it mean to "fear" the LORD?* How did Heidi go from panic to public speaking?* Why is Gen Z experiencing revival right now?* Why does God allow us to face fear, pain, and suffering?* How does the Bible help us develop a theology of suffering?* What surprising conversation did Heidi have with Donald Trump?* Why should Christian families swap Scholastic for BRAVE Books?* If you’re struggling with fear or wondering how to raise bold kids in a world full of compromise, this episode will encourage you to trust God, take courage, and stand firm in the truth!If you enjoyed this podcast episode PLEASE HELP US SPREAD THE TRUTH OF CHRISTIANITY BY SUPPORTING OUR MINISTRY USING THE LINK BELOW. 100% of your donation goes to ministry, 0% to buildings!Resources mentioned during the episode:Donate to CrossExamined.org (http://crossexamined.org/) - https://donor.crossexamined.org/ (https://donor.crossexamined.org/)Becoming Mom Strong (https://www.amazon.com/dp/1496412664) by Heidi St. JohnHeid's Website - https://www.heidistjohn.net/ (https://www.heidistjohn.net/)Heidi's Podcast - https://www.heidistjohn.net/podcast (https://www.heidistjohn.net/podcast)Get Frank's book 'Milo's Mission' FREE when you join the BRAVE Book Club! https://bravebooks.com/frank (https://bravebooks.com/frank)Start Streaming BRAVE+ -https://bravebooks.us/pages/brave-plus (https://bravebooks.us/pages/brave-plus)

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0:00.0	Ladies and gentlemen, Aristotle said courage is the first of human qualities because it is the quality which guarantees the others.
0:11.0	And he was absolutely right. If you don't have courage, you won't do anything else.
0:15.0	This might be why the scriptures talk a lot about courage. First of all, Jesus, and John 16 said, in the world,
0:22.9	you will have tribulation, but take heart, I've overcome the world. No matter what happens in this
0:28.5	life, ladies and gentlemen, if you're in Christ, you're guaranteed at some point to be glorified.
0:34.3	Of course, this is throughout the Old Testament as well. Deuteronomy says this, be strong and
0:38.9	courageous. Do not fear or be in dread of them, for it is the Lord your God who goes with you.
0:44.8	He will not leave you or forsake you. The Psalmist, Psalm 27 says, the Lord is my light and my salvation.
0:51.7	Whom shall I fear? The Lord is the stronghold of my life.
0:55.1	Of whom shall I be afraid? Paul says in 1st Corinthians 16, be watchful, stand firm in the faith.
1:00.9	Act like men, be strong. And in Acts 4, when the officials, the Jewish officials were trying
1:09.2	to tamp down on the gospel, it says this in Acts 413, the boldness, the Jewish officials were trying to tamp down on the gospel. It says this in Acts
1:12.5	413, the boldness, the courage of Peter and John amazed the religious leaders, even though
1:18.5	they were unschooled, ordinary men. And of course, Paul, in his final work, Second Timothy,
1:26.1	told Timothy, for God gave us a spirit of fear, for God gave us a spirit, not of fear, but of power and love and self-control.
1:38.7	So how can we instill this in others, courage that is, and how can we instill it in our kids? Well, we have somebody who
1:45.4	can help us do that. This phenomenal woman has courage because she had seven kids and then
1:53.6	homeschooled them all, ladies and gentlemen. And she's an author of more than 10 books. This is
2:00.0	the first time she's been on I don't have
2:01.5	enough faith to be an atheist. Here she is the great Heidi, St. John, all the way from a bunker
2:08.6	somewhere in the People's Republic of Oregon. Heidi, it's great having you on the program.
2:16.9	Finally, first of all, seven kids and now eight grandkids, and you look like you, you look
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