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The Kevin Miller Podcast

Who You Are Aside From What You Do & What You Produce w/ Wellbeing Expert Jen Fisher

The Kevin Miller Podcast

Kevin Miller

Nutrition, Relationships, Mental Health, Education, Social Sciences, Science, Society & Culture, Self-improvement, Health & Fitness, Religion & Spirituality, Spirituality, Medicine, Life Sciences, How To

4.51.4K Ratings

🗓️ 26 January 2026

⏱️ 68 minutes

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Summary

This episode is a dive into the awakening of self-awareness and a connection to what really matters in your life. This has been my journey over the past few years as I've unraveled my identity from what I do and achieve and learned to embrace who I am being aside from any doing or producing or achievements. My guest is a kindred spirit in working themselves to the bone to prove their worth to themselves and everyone else. Jen Fisher a global authority on workplace wellbeing, the bestselling author of Work Better Together, and the founder and CEO of The Wellbeing Team. Jen was Deloitte US's first chief wellbeing officer who pioneered a groundbreaking, human-centered approach to work that gained international recognition and reshaped how organizations view wellbeing. From her personal experiences with burnout and cancer to her role as a trailblazer in wellbeing intelligence Jen has dedicated her career to helping people thrive—physically, mentally, and emotionally. Jen has a new book titled, Hope Is The Strategy: The Underrated Skill That Transforms Work, Leadership, and Wellbeing. As you're about to hear, Jen shares, “My identity had slowly merged with my output and I became what I produced." She realized she had no real hope in anything so she just worked to stay busy, filling the void with production and accomplishment. She was languishing in performance with profound emotional emptiness. Finally, she says, “I began to understand that productivity is a tool, not a purpose; that work is a part of life, not its meaning; that doing is important, but being is essential." Today she focuses on doing less, but doing activities of more value, and questioning what all she is doing for external validation alone.  Sign up for your $1/month trial period at shopify.com/kevin Go to shipstation.com and use code KEVIN to start your free trial. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome. I'm Kevin Miller, and this is a podcast for your personal evolution. In this episode,

0:07.4

who are you aside from what you do and what you produce? So the episode is a dive into the

0:16.3

awakening of self-awareness and a connection to what really matters in your life.

0:21.7

This has been my journey for the past few years as I've unraveled my identity from what I do

0:28.0

and what I achieve and learn to embrace who I am aside from any producing or achievements,

0:36.2

which at first I couldn't even conceive of. So my guest here is a

0:39.8

kindred spirit in having worked themselves to the bone to prove their worth to themselves and

0:45.3

everyone else. Jen Fisher, she's a global authority on workplace well-being, the best-selling

0:52.0

author of Work Better Together, and the founder and CEO of the well-being, the best-selling author of Work Better Together, and the founder and CEO of

0:56.8

the well-being team. So Jen was Deloitte's U.S. first chief well-being officer who pioneered a

1:05.5

groundbreaking human-centered approach to work that gained international recognition and reshaped

1:10.8

how organizations view

1:12.4

well-being, or at least the ones that adopted her concept. Well, from her personal experiences

1:17.5

with burnout and cancer to her role as a trailblazer in well-being intelligence, Jen has

1:24.0

dedicated her career to helping people thrive, physically, mentally, and emotionally.

1:28.1

So Jen has a new book titled Hope is the Strategy, the Underrated Skill that Transforms

1:34.7

Work, Leadership, and Well-Being.

1:36.8

As you're about to hear, Jen shares, she says, my identity had slowly merged with my output,

1:43.3

and I became what I produced.

1:46.0

Who can relate to that other than myself?

1:49.4

She says she realized she had no real hope in anything, so she just worked to stay busy,

1:54.3

filling in the void with production and accomplishment.

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