If you're enjoying this conversation, good news.

It's the creator economy.

Actually, just a euphemism for the collapse of stable media jobs.

I mean, we've all been turned into freelance independent contractors.

And like, it's hard, it's simply harder to build a life that way.

Like, it is not better to be a freelancer.

Adam Conover build a career pulling back the curtain on how things really work.

From Adam rules everything to factually.

Now back to the show. So what does he see happening to artists, entertainers, and media workers

right now? What is something you're really in a golden age of independent creators?

Or is this just the wreckage of a once stable industry repackaged his opportunity?

It is not better for your life. A couple people in very specific situations prefer it, and that's

fine for those people. But as a means of employment, overall, the fact that the entire media

industry has gone from employed with pension and health plans to freelance, hope that

you know the YouTube back end gives you enough money to pay rent this month? Like that's bad for

America. If you think Hollywood, journalism, and media will simply bounce back from strikes,

layoffs, and the shift to digital, this episode might make you rethink everything.

What if the future media isn't just different, but fundamentally broken?

If you've ever wondered why hard work doesn't always pay off, congrats. You're exactly where you belong.

I'm Anna Marie Cox. And I'm open Mike Eagle. And this is past two.

We can open with how willing you are to share like what you've made lately.

The way I normally say it when I don't get into numbers is that I'm basically personally making between all my streams of income what I was making as a television host on basic cable with the provisos that a that's like eight close to 10 years ago and B I don't have budget anymore I used used to have, you know, $100,000 an episode.

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